A Review of DrunkDuck (as a host)

Posted February 20th, 2009 by KEZ

I’m going to approach this review in the same way that I approached the review of ComicGenesis. Here’s the same scenario:  you have a comic you’re working on, right now, on your desk,  and you want to make it a webcomic. The only problem is, you have no idea how to put it online. You know nothing about hosts, servers, or registrars.  You also have no money to pay for that anyways.  You stumble across a listing of free webcomic hosting sites, and you’re deciding between them.  But wait! How will you know which one is best? Well, here is my review of one of those free webcomic hosts: Drunk Duck!

Here is my short review: DD is a great place for people who really need and desire a lot of comments on their work. For attention-starved artists or writers, there is no better place to be.  As was stated in the TWCL forums by Metruis, you can have a very small audience on DD and still get way more comments than, say, a comic with a much larger audience on ComicGenesis. Why? Because the place is literally BUILT for people to comment.  However, and this is a big “however” for me, DrunkDuck will vex the hell out of someone who wants more control over the website. Remember, one of my biggest gripes with webcomics is when people approach their project as ONLY a comic, forgetting it’s a WEBcomic. How a comic is displayed and the functionality of the site are incredibly important. DD makes it far harder than it needs to be for a web-savvy person to take advantage of their coding knowledge!

PROS:

Commenting: As I discussed previously, there is an ability (and built-in encouragement) for people to comment.  This is the biggest pro I can think of for DrunkDuck…for reasons that follow in the Cons section. Anyways, DD has a 1-5 rating system, and only people signed in can comment. The rating system and signing in ability is something unique to DD, and it allows comic creators to moderate comments on their page.

Noob-worthy CMS: If you know absolutely nothing about HTML, CSS, PHP or CMS (indeed, if you don’t even know what these acronyms stand for), DrunkDuck is the place for you. First, CMS stands for Content Management System. You have content, and you need to manage it in the most automatic way possible.  DrunkDuck is set up so you never even have to look at code. You just…click things! Easy as pie! They even have automatic templates and extra cool little features on their “Dashboard,” like stats and visitors.  You can also add co-creators, edit news, comic pages, site templates, all online—and therefore from any computer.

Community: DrunkDuck is one of the tightest webcomic communities out there. If you bother to even show up in the forums and post occasionally, you WILL make friends. Making friends, online, is a form of networking to increase your audience size.  Everybody wants a bigger audience, so this is a good thing! The forums are highly active, and new members join all the time.  The only time I’ve seen it hard to become “one of the gang” is when it’s obvious you’re not interested in being a member there, only to try send more readers to another site. Then, you will be a pariah, so beware!

Upload Multiple Pages at Once: If you have a very big back-log of pages, and you want to upload them in batches, or just have them up all at once, DrunkDuck allows you to do this.  This really isn’t too large a pro unless you DO have a large archive, for example, if you want to create a mirror site.  DD was the last host I’m aware of to implement being able to upload more than once page at once.

Can modify the majority of elements on a webpage: DD allows you to modify your webpage code, for users who wish to. Since the automated portions of DD’s CMS are “tags,” you can move around a single snippet of code to get desired results. Even if you don’t know how to code, you could do this with a little patience.

Featured webcomics as a means of cross-advertising: DD has “featured webcomics” on its front page.  Comics are chosen out of the thousands there to be linked on the front page for about 5-7 days. This is free, often random, and a huge boost to your audience numbers.  However, your comic must actually be somewhat GOOD to be featured, so it doesn’t happen to everyone.

Can favorite and track  updates too: Unlike other webcomic hosts, DD allows you to favorite and track updates of comics. This is a feature that is part community, part networking, and in my opinion, something that ought to be implemented in other hosting sites.

CONS:

And this is where I start to scream. DrunkDuck is ABSURDLY ad-heavy. There’s an ad at the top of the page, beneath the comic, and at the bottom of the page. THREE ADS. Per page. One ad is acceptable, 3 is overkill, by a long shot.  You have no control over these ads either, and they all are automatic.  They will appear whether they are hard-coded or not.

DD is often slow, sometimes unreachable: Because of many factors, DD is a pain in the rear to use, both as a reader and as a comic creator.  The ads slow the page loading. The entire SYSTEM of DD (posting pages, logging in and commenting) relies on a mySQL database, and I swear, half the time I try to use the site, I get mySQL error warnings. For a site this large, with this much traffic, it is uancceptable. NO OTHER HOST HAS AS MUCH DOWNTIME AS DRUNKDUCK. So far. >.<

A history of going off-line: DrunkDuck has “gone down” at least once (and I believe TWICE, but it was before my time), like a flaming tub of lard. EVERYONE there lost all their material, without explanation.  There was no data retrieval, or even an effort to let anyone know what happened. This is an unacceptable business practice.

Owned by Platinum Studios: More than a year ago, perhaps 2 now, DD was bought out by Platinum Studios. In case you haven’t heard, Platinum is basically bankrupt. This buyout coincides with when DD became a horrible place for a webcomic to be hosted: when the ads appeared, when things got slow, when half the featured comics were published by Platinum Studios…etc.  Basically, due to the bad track record of Platinum (the DJ Coffman incident, WOWIO, etc), I encourage people not to rely on DD always being there.

Very difficult to customize a webpage: I’m getting tired of writing it, and you’re probably getting tired of reading it: A webcomic is half comic, and half WEB. DrunkDuck makes it very difficult to customize a webpage.  Because you don’t have FTP access, and not even an intelligent file manager, you are forced to jump through hoops to customize anything.  You must edit your home page through a online interface only, one that does not even have a preview function. All files, such as images or other webpages, must be loaded ONE AT A TIME. There is no bulk uploading. Files that you upload also have the habit of mysteriously vanishing, without warning, and refuse to remain in your account.  This, of all the cons, makes me the angriest!

Being hosted at DD will STIFLE your growth. You need to learn to use the entire web (which is more than just DD, people) to advertise your comic, and help it grow.  DD teaches you to rely on a system that is inherently set up to condone web-ignorance. Your comic will never reach its full potential on DD, I really don’t care how many comments you get.  If you can’t be self-sufficient, if you need the random comments of young kids “5-ing” you with each update, you really have no idea what it’s going to be like outside the nest.  The BEST webcomics take advantage of what the web, and coding, and CMS has to offer.

DrunkDuck is full of young, inexperienced comic creators, or conversely, print-comic creators uninterested in making webcomics (they just want to advertise their print comics, and have no real interest in becoming part of the webcomic community). This isn’t a bad thing for them so much as it is for a person seriously invested in their comics.  I am very happy that those young, inexperience comic creators have a free and easy place to BECOME experienced, and that those print-comic creators have the ability to increase their web advertising.  But, as a person always trying to improve my own comics, to increase their audience, these two groupss only hold me back. I don’t need to be “5-ing” or people who look down on webcomics, I need colleagues at MY level. Serious writers and artists will find DD a hindrance.

Finally, DD does not give you a subdomain. A subdomain would be “comic.drunkduck.com.” Instead, you get “drunkduck.com/comic.” What does this mean? Well, you lose a LOT of SEO opportunities.  You can’t use perma-links, for one.  You can’t be an advertiser of ads by places other than Project Wonderful for two (they require at the very least, a subdomain.) You can’t increase your pagerank as much as you would if you had your own domain. As far as I’m aware, you can’t even mirror your DD account at your own URL, you have to forward it instead. For example, I could not make it so that warofwinds.com showed my DD page. Instead, I would have to FORWARD warofwinds.com to drunkduck.com/warofwinds.  This is a huge limitation to your growth!

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With my lambasting complete, DrunkDuck scores a 5/10.  Because you CAN customize your page (regardless of the difficulty of it), and you DO have a CMS (even if it’s…intelligence-challenged), and there IS a strong community, DD has a lot of things going for it. But due to bad managment, a bad history, and all-around FRUSTRATION, I can’t speak very highly of DD as a reliable host where you could stay for quite some time and GROW.

The next review will be of Comic Dish or Webcomics Nation, but before that (since I will be trying out each host before I write a review of it), a few other, shorter, articles.  Thank you everyone who posted your opinions about the ComicGenesis review.

12 Responses to “A Review of DrunkDuck (as a host)”

  1. Ipsilono

    Thanks for the warning about joining just to try to send more readers to another site, because there was an off-chance I might have actually tried that at some point in a moment of intense and shameless attention-whoriness. Are you planning on reviewing Smack Jeeves at some point? That’s where I started out, and I’m curious to hear what you’d say about it.

  2. KEZ

    When joining any site or community for the purpose of sending visitors to your site, it is always incredibly important to become a member there as well (whether it’s a host like DD or a site like DeviantArt). I will be reviewing SmackJeeves certainly. It may take me a bit though, since I have to do some recon and put a comic up there first. Recon. hehehe.

  3. Alexander - ReaperEX

    I’m a user on DrunkDuck, and you forgot to add a few things:
    1. To Spriters (whether you dislike them or like them, this is true) the people there are very biased.
    2. The Staff of DrunkDuck to not do a thing for the site other than news and features, and that’s nothing important. They don’t take action even when provoked.
    3. No one on there is actually “nice” and you run a huge risk of being ripped off by anyone on there (I’ve been ripped off several times.)
    4. Truly, DrunkDuck is not a good webcomic hosting site, and the Cons you have suggested are only the tip of the very large iceberg of problems it brings up. You’re better off going to ComicGenesis, or just making your own website.

  4. hari

    Hi, thanks for this review. I was really undecided whether to go with a comic hosting service because I already have my own hosting provider, website/blog where I post my comics though I also write on other stuff.

    But over time my readership for the comics has never really improved, because it’s not targetted at a webcomic audience.

    Do you seriously believe that hosting at a provider like DD and CG will help my comic gain mileage?

  5. KEZ

    Hi, hari. Webcomic hosting sites yes, will increase your audience just because of how the audience is centralized to a certain site. That’s not to say it comes without work. You will need to keep a steady update schedule, and make friends. Networking between creators is very important on large hosting sites or else, unless a comic is spectacular, you can get lost amid all the other comics.

    I personally recommend people start out on free hosting sites before graduating to a self-hosted site. On a hosting site, you gain the audience, learn the ropes of advertising and display, and when you get your own site, you bring all the readers with you. If you maintain the mirror site at the hosting site, you can use that as a continual vehicle to gain more readers.

    I’m out of town right now and I haven’t checked out your blog or anything, I apologize. My comment here is pretty generic.

  6. hari

    Thanks for the response.

    I’ve been hosting on my own for around 5 years now and have plenty of experience online and knowledge of HTML and PHP, so the thought of using any free providers hasn’t occurred to me recently. :)

    I do think it’s useful though to be in a community of comic lovers which helps gain an audience. However, I’ve found so many webcomic artists so shy of communicating and sharing feedback.

  7. Dana

    I think free hosting will just get you into trouble. You should pay for a proper host. I have a little hosting account with Server Intellect. If I am having issues I can call them and they will work their magic and fix things asap. With a free host your going to have send a ticket “IF” they even have tech support. I think I would rather pay and make sure my strip is online. Plus as some else mentioned you lose SEO by not having your own direct domain.

  8. Nick Wright

    Thanks for this. I’ve been looking around at potential hosts and was thinking of going with DD, but I think I will stick with Comic Genesis, or just move to my own site.

    Having grown up on Keenspace/CG, I know my way around HTML and can code my own stuff. Having to jump through these hoops would drive me insane.

  9. Allie

    HEY. An important note. Read the terms of service. I was just now starting an account there, since i don’t need anything flashy, I’m just looking to churn out a comic to have fun and get myself working with comics for the first time in a while. But the terms of service are appalling. I would not put my work on the site.

    It says that ALL material put on the site is COPYRIGHT to PLATINUM STUDIOS. Which is shocking. If you put ANY art on that site, they own it, and you don’t have copyright over it any longer. That is no fun. Does ComicGenesis or any other comic host do something like that?

    Additionally, they have the right to retain your personally identifiable information (including address, credit card numbers) and later, it says they have the right to distribute your personally identifiable information to THIRD PARTY COMPANIES.

    Basically, I would never put any of my information or art on a website that will freely share my information with anyone just because. That’s quite shocking. You might find it worth it to look into. It says you can’t reproduce things that are within the website materials. That means that if you were to write an extension of a comic you wrote there on another site, they could, legally, actually consider it copyright infringement. WHAT?! MADNESS!

    Just thought I’d share. I thought this should knock them down a couple of points on the not-evil scale.

  10. Shocked

    Re: Allie & DD’s copyright policy

    Good grief you’re right! When I read it, I couldn’t believe something so absurd, I took it for granted that anything an artist creates is his/her own. The idea that Platinum Studios gets to ‘own’ anything you put on DD, and could have owned my work (no matter how amateur) is troubling.

    I immediately went to Comic Genesis’ Terms of Use, and they say very clearly, that whatever the CARTOONIST creates is copyrighted to the CARTOONIST. I guess you can’t get clearer than that, so now I’m definitely leaving DD and never looking back.

  11. Vanessah

    @Allie & Shocked:

    Actually, this is discussed in the DD FAQ here:

    http://www.drunkduck.com/news/faq.php?id=33

    “Do I still own the rights to my comic once I upload it to DrunkDuck?
    YES YOU DO. YES. One more time just to be clear: Yes! Drunk Duck offers free hosting, and a community for webcomics. We DO NOT own any rights to YOUR comics. Federal copyright law is VERY CLEAR on this and is designed to protect the creator. Anybody telling you differently is uninformed or lying. On the other hand, if somebody offers you a contract, such as a purchase agreement or option agreement, be it Platinum Studios or Marvel or Simon & Shuster, you should read it carefully, take it to your attorney, and get a clear understanding of what rights you might be giving up once you sign a contract and how much money you may be getting in return. But the choice will always be yours.”

  12. Aaron B

    I have never used any of the free comic hosting sites. I have always used my own host and used php to automate my comics. I cant say that DD or CG are good or bad.